/Rajoy warns France, Italy to be careful for independence actions

Rajoy warns France, Italy to be careful for independence actions

Irene Duym

Thanks. That they had seen.

Posted on 3/8/18 | 5:01 PM CET

edel .

“Spanish prime minister thanks European nations for supporting his struggle with Catalonia”

First, nobody, not even Rajoy, has ever stated something of a ‘struggle with Catalonia’, not even something near that. What Rajoy has talked about is the potential of unfold of the disaster to different areas in France and Italy.

Second. Spain has had pro-independence political events in Basque nation, Catalonia, Galicia, Canary Islands and even Andalusia since four a long time in the past and by no means an issue except one which supported terrorism. All these teams had all the time aspired to realize the change inside the authorized framework. Solely since some four years of years in the past, proper after a significant financial disaster, the Catalan ones, with 47% of vote, they determined they’re entitled to violate the agreed upon Spanish and Catalan constitutions and even disregard judicial orders.

Once more, I despise Rajoy (as I do Trump) however that doesn’t give the appropriate to some in Catalonia prefer it doesn’t give some Californian the appropriate to violate their respective Structure and judicial establishments.

Posted on 3/8/18 | 5:15 PM CET

Carles Manrique Pérez

So mainly, this man does imagine that pro-independence concepts usually are not legitimal. He talks about exclusionary nationalism whereas his occasion is an outright supporter of Spanish nationalism, however, oh while you say that to them they let you know it isn’t nationalism, however simply “patriotism”. Principally in the event that they try this it’s good, if we try this it’s dangerous.

As for the consumer commenting that we had all the time adopted the authorized methods, sure, we did, and imagine me, we’d have stored stepping on these methods if the PP hadn’t initiated a Catalanophobic marketing campaign when the brand new statue was accepted. That marketing campaign ended up with the constitutional court docket banning an necessary a part of it. Together with the one which outlined Catalonia as a nation. And the entire Spanish political spectrum has both supported all this or both has taken an egregiously “I-do-not-care” perspective. That’s the reason we’ve engaged on these unlawful methods. Our endurance has a restrict. And if issues proceed like that, issues make turn into worse for all of those that deny self dedication.

Posted on 3/8/18 | 8:14 PM CET

edel .

@Carles Manrique Pérez, your “we had all the time adopted the authorized methods, sure, we did, and imagine me, we’d have stored stepping on these methods if…” that phrase is essentially the most harmful there may be for democracy, the one legitimate argement for that’s if these suspension dots are about important civil violations (learn Rohingya, Algeria beneath France, and many others).

Constitutional courts bans continually legal guidelines handed by regional states, whether or not in Spain, Germany, US or mainly wherever, that’s the reason they’re there. Have a look at the US, courts stopped Trump’s ft quite a few ties within the final 12 months, so primarily based on what you say, Trump (a democratically elected president) has the appropriate to disobey and stage a navy coup, isn’t it? And what about Californians, since Trump mainly works towards all the pieces they imagine too, can the simply seceded? Final time the south tried fared dangerous for all.

The constitutional court docket took, in my view, a tough interpretation on the Catalan Estatut at the moment, however that doesn’t imply it provides you rights to dismantle the complete judicial system.

These tantrums towards a specific chief, even dangerous ones like Rajoy and Trump, are higher directed to work in getting higher leaders subsequent time round, or to work for all Catalans, not solely the 47% of them and wait until different extra friendlier authorities comes. Right here, within the US, as an illustration, many instances are being held as much as be introduced as much as the present flavored Republican Supreme Court docket in await a extra impartial Court docket.

Moreover, if you happen to assume half of the Catalans has the appropriate to violate the structure, belief me, there might be some in the remainder of Spain will determine to violated it too. Watch out, what you would like for.

Posted on 3/8/18 | 11:13 PM CET