/Rajoy warns France, Italy to be careful for independence actions

Rajoy warns France, Italy to be careful for independence actions

Irene Duym

Thanks. They’d seen.

Posted on 3/8/18 | 5:01 PM CET

edel .

“Spanish prime minister thanks European nations for supporting his combat with Catalonia”

First, nobody, not even Rajoy, has ever stated something of a ‘combat with Catalonia’, not even something near that. What Rajoy has talked about is the potential of unfold of the disaster to different areas in France and Italy.

Second. Spain has had pro-independence political events in Basque nation, Catalonia, Galicia, Canary Islands and even Andalusia since four many years in the past and by no means an issue aside from one which supported terrorism. All these teams had all the time aspired to attain the change throughout the authorized framework. Solely since some four years of years in the past, proper after a serious financial disaster, the Catalan ones, with 47% of vote, they determined they’re entitled to violate the agreed upon Spanish and Catalan constitutions and even disregard judicial orders.

Once more, I despise Rajoy (as I do Trump) however that doesn’t give the precise to some in Catalonia prefer it doesn’t give some Californian the precise to violate their respective Structure and judicial establishments.

Posted on 3/8/18 | 5:15 PM CET

Carles Manrique Pérez

So mainly, this man does consider that pro-independence concepts are usually not legitimal. He talks about exclusionary nationalism whereas his social gathering is an outright supporter of Spanish nationalism, however, oh whenever you say that to them they let you know it isn’t nationalism, however simply “patriotism”. Mainly in the event that they do this it’s good, if we do this it’s unhealthy.

As for the consumer commenting that we had all the time adopted the authorized methods, sure, we did, and consider me, we’d have stored stepping on these methods if the PP hadn’t initiated a Catalanophobic marketing campaign when the brand new statue was accredited. That marketing campaign ended up with the constitutional courtroom banning an essential a part of it. Together with the one which outlined Catalonia as a nation. And the entire Spanish political spectrum has both supported all this or both has taken an egregiously “I-do-not-care” angle. That’s the reason now we have engaged on these unlawful methods. Our endurance has a restrict. And if issues proceed like that, issues make turn into worse for all of those that deny self dedication.

Posted on 3/8/18 | 8:14 PM CET

edel .

@Carles Manrique Pérez, your “we had all the time adopted the authorized methods, sure, we did, and consider me, we’d have stored stepping on these methods if…” that phrase is essentially the most harmful there may be for democracy, the one legitimate argement for that’s if these suspension dots are about crucial civil violations (learn Rohingya, Algeria beneath France, and so on).

Constitutional courts bans continuously legal guidelines handed by regional states, whether or not in Spain, Germany, US or mainly wherever, that’s the reason they’re there. Take a look at the US, courts stopped Trump’s toes quite a few ties within the final yr, so primarily based on what you say, Trump (a democratically elected president) has the precise to disobey and stage a navy coup, isn’t it? And what about Californians, since Trump mainly works in opposition to every part they consider too, can the simply seceded? Final time the south tried fared unhealthy for all.

The constitutional courtroom took, for my part, a tough interpretation on the Catalan Estatut at the moment, however that doesn’t imply it offers you rights to dismantle all the judicial system.

These tantrums in opposition to a selected chief, even unhealthy ones like Rajoy and Trump, are higher directed to work in getting higher leaders subsequent time round, or to work for all Catalans, not solely the 47% of them and wait until different extra friendlier authorities comes. Right here, within the US, for example, many circumstances are being held as much as be introduced as much as the present flavored Republican Supreme Court docket in await a extra impartial Court docket.

In addition to, for those who suppose half of the Catalans has the precise to violate the structure, belief me, there will likely be some in the remainder of Spain will determine to violated it too. Watch out, what you would like for.

Posted on 3/8/18 | 11:13 PM CET